I’m Supporting Rudy
by Patrick Ruffini :: January 29th, 2007 12:36 pmAs The Fix reported last week, I have signed on to help with Rudy Giuliani’s presidential exploratory committee.
You can read about the mechanics of this a bit further down. But first, I thought I’d say a word or two about how I came to this point as a proud conservative Republican.
When it comes to choosing our next leader, we could do worse than looking to a strong executive with a proven track record. After 2006, we need an outsider, someone who doesn’t speak the language of Washington. In Mayor Giuliani I see my generation’s Ronald Reagan – a uniquely gifted leader who can both articulate and act on first principles
The War on Terror is the defining issue of our time as the struggle against Communism was in President Reagan’s. There is no one I would trust more to continue this fight. Mayor Giuliani’s understanding of the threat is not theoretical or abstract, not did it come in passing on one terrible day. It is visceral, direct, and rooted in thirty years of experience at the highest levels of Federal law enforcement and as the chief executive of the city on the front line of this war.
I lived near New York City through the early Giuliani years. I watched his winning 1993 campaign and how things seemed to change almost overnight when he took office. Nothing he accomplished in those years came through half-measures or trimming his sails. Even then, it warmed my heart to see conservative ideas being applied so clearly and directly to the toughest problems in America. And best of all, it worked. Second only to President Reagan’s two terms, it was quite possibly the best eight year run of any statesman in the last generation.
If you’re convinced, or even a little curious, I hope you’ll join me in signing up as a supporter on JoinRudy2008.com. This is important.
Going forward, I’ll be working as a consultant on new media strategy. This blog will be one of many places that I hope to carry on this discussion. I’m not being paid to blog – but when it’s warranted, I won’t be afraid to state the case. And I’ll do it in an intellectually honest and rigorous way. Everything I’ll write here is exactly what would I write as a volunteer supporter.
I’m truly excited about what 2008 will bring. This will be the cycle that new media really makes it mark. And I hope you’ll join in. If you’re a blogger who’s interested in joining Team Rudy, please leave a trackback to this post or shoot me an email and I’ll be sure to include you.
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Patrick, Giuliani can’t win the Republican nomination. I am looking for a Republican candidate to support. I would have supported Senator Frist if he had chosen to run. I do not intend to support someone that I do not believe in, and that I have serious doubts about where they stand on issues that are important to me. Rudy is a good man, strong on security and nothing else. I will not support McCain, and probably won’t support Romney. So for me, it comes down to Huckabee and Brownback, again, neither of these two can get the nomination. Where is that true conservative that can get the nomination and win.
Ginny, many of the supporters for Bill Frist or George Allen might consider coming over the Team Condi. It is a group of people across the nation who believe Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice offers the strong foreign policy and national defense platform which our nation needs for 2008.
If you consider as we do, that being Secretary of State is a grooming post, and that the international relationships built by Secretary Rice are important, then go to www.thinkcondi.net for more information. As you might know, many polls have been taken which show support for her to run, and that people consider Condi Rice as a choice for 2008.
She is in the top tier, winning over 10% in national polls, which show her viability and electability as our next president. Straw polls have been taken during the past 2 years in various states, clearly showing her as their top choice (Wisconsin, Texas, and California).
It drives me crazy when people say that Giuliani can’t win the Republican nomination! What are campaigns for? Why don’t we just decide who can win and forgo the campaign and election?
No one thought Bill Clinton would ever be president.
Congratulations. Rudy has many good qualities however, as an NRA member I´m concerned about his stand on gun control. If he becomes the nominee I will give him my support. In the meantime, Condi Rice is my my first choice followed by Colin Powell.
What is his stance on illegal immigration??? That is the million dollar question!!!!
Patrick,
I’m sorry to hear you’ve chosen to support Rudy for a couple of reasons.
First, Rudy is not likely to win the primary, and I fear its a lost cause. Not only does he lack the social conservative credentials, but he’s been out of office for some time, not allowing him to change that record of social liberalism. Maybe a VP candidacy would work for Rudy in the long run, as it would give him more time to create a record more palpable to the conservative base.
Secondly, and maybe more importantly, I looked to your web site for unbiased analysis and news reporting for all of the Republican candidates. I now fear that your bias for Rudy may seep into the rest of your work on patrickruffini.com. It seems to me that you risk throwing away a good thing here. I would have considered the smarter move to promote all the candidates and line up with the one the people choose, at which time you can personally consecrate your efforts to that candidate.
I like and appreciate the work you’ve done in the past and wish you the best of luck moving forward, but we’re likely going to be parting ways for a little bit here.
Regards,
Matt Marshall
Arlington, VA
Hi Patrick,
Thanks for the email.
Rudy would have to drastically change his stance on the 2nd Amendment before I would be able to vote for him.
Let me know if this happens.
I would have trouble voting for McCain on the basis of the McCain Feingold act.
I’m curious as to what the McCain campaign “new media strategy” policy is on sending spam via email. Because it’s awfully early for a political campaign to annoy me, and you’ve already managed to do it.
Sorry, Patrick, though I do admire Giuliani’s handling of 9/11, and his work in cleaning up New York City—credit where it’s due—as a conservative, I can’t possibly gin up support for Rudy Giuliani. If it’s Rudy v. Hillary (well, frankly, if it’s Rudy versue anybody), I might have to vote Libertarian. Rudy can’t win because there are millions of us who find Rudy to be just a bridge too far…
I love the work you do, Patrick, but I can’t support Rudy at least until he is the Republican nominee. I can’t support a pro-choice candidate when there are pro-life alternatives. Hopefully he understands the predicament he puts conservatives in with his views.
“Rudy” has three letters standing between him and his political ambitions, and those letters are “NRA”.
His positions on guns and self-defense are far left, and well outside the mainstream consensus that is emerging in this country: that all law-abiding adults should be able to carry concealed handguns for self defense, and that there is no rational reason to deny those people the same sort of handguns that are available to law enforcement.
As the old time travelogue movies might have said: “And as the “assault weapons ban” sinks into the sunset, we say farewell to the quaint idea that the life of an ordinary person is worth ten rounds, but the life of a police officer is worth 15…”
Rudi is going to have to come out very strongly in favor of some very specific things to have a chance with gun owners. Pledging no renewal of the assault weapons ban is a start. Standing up for national recognition of all concealed carry permits would be helpful. After all, why should my Texas driver’s license be valid in New York City, but not my Texas CCW permit?
We gun owners have long memories, excellent reasoning ability and a keen appreciation of nuance. We do not trust the sort of generalities we see politicians use on this issue, such as “I support the right of sportsmen to have hunting rifles and shotguns.”
The Second Amendment ain’t about duck hunting. That’s one reason why John Kerry is still the junior senator from MA.
To all my republican comrades:
Wake up! Rudy is the only republican candidate that can beat Hillary. The others are far too conservative. If it is your choice to be stubborn about the abortion, gay rights and gun control issues, you are going to lose an entire country. Just remember what the United States will look like after 8 years of a Hillary or Barack in office: rampant illegal immigration, bi-lingual EVERYTHING, 6 hour waiting lines to go through airport security (due to a lack of racial profiling), along with the typical liberal democrat “cant do this, cant say that” political correctness shoved down your throat in every aspect of your life.
Retired Geezer, you might like how Secretary of State Condi Rice is an ABSOLUTE supporter of the 2nd Amendment. She was interviewed about the 60’s unrest and homegrown terrorism, she stated that she knew what it felt like at the time of the church bombings in Birmingham, Alabama (her hometown). Then she told about her father going out at night with the other men from their neighborhood to protect them from the Night Riders (like the KKK) who terrorized homes of African-Americans. She also said that the police refused to protect them from these attacks and the 2nd Amendment gave her father and neighbors the ability to protect their families and their homes.
One more reason to come to www.thinkcondi.net and find out more information.
Dear Patrick,
I applaud your decision to back Rudy. I only wish Republicans could expand more on the narrow views that will demolish the party. For example, people saying they will not vote for him because of his social beliefs. Well, last i checked, i did and still back President Bush to the hilt yet we still have gay pride marches in every major city and abortions are still being performed. Please fellow Republicans, see the forest through the trees…Rudy can handle the out of control liberal NY press with his command of our laws and language - and he will be heavy handed on defense. Rudy is an American - not a politician. And he’s a damn great American in my opinion. Lets get off the wholier than now social agenda and back a guy that will run circles around the liberal main stream press - they are the enemy in America. As well, he will pull Americans together and open the door for the next president to be more in the realm of a Reagan or Bush. A staunch conservative wont win this time so what’s the alternative? Clinton, Edwards, Biden Obama crowd - please no. Go Rudy!!!
There are so few real Republicans in the mix today, I can’t see how I can vote for any of them. I would vote for Rudy if there was a Newt Gingrich somewhere in the equation. McCain is a phony. Romney is a jerk. Most of the others are not well known enough. I would consider Tom Tancredo. If I left someone out, it wasn’t intentional. I’m just so let down because of this idiot in there now. I didn’t want another Communist in the office so I voted for Bush. I regret to say that he’s as bad as any one of them who are running for the office. GOD help this country and please, make it soon.
Dear Patrick,
I would never support any of the establishment candidates. My support will go to a principaled traditional conservative like Tom Trancredo, Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter.
Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain, Romney Rudy, et. al. are all basically the same old thing.
Joe M wrote:
“Wake up! Rudy is the only republican candidate that can beat Hillary. The others are far too conservative. If it is your choice to be stubborn about the abortion, gay rights and gun control issues, you are going to lose an entire country.”
I have no strong position about abortion and gay rights, but the Second Amendment is in the Constitution and means something. You might want to take a gander at the animated map of the US at http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php. you’ll see that on one important 2d Amendment issue, the right to carry concealed handguns, the entire country has shifted away from New York-style discretionary issue of handgun permits. Not just shifted away a little…run off and left New York in the dust.
Romney has the same problem as Rudy ….he’s from one of the few states remaining that doesn’t have a “shall-issue” CCW system. Both these gentlemen have the same problem: either they and their little fiefdoms on the east coast are right on this issue, or all the 37 “shall-issue” states, with all their Republican voters, are right.
Rudy, which is it?
I am taking a greater interest in Rudy because of Patrick’s backing of the man. I am very concerned that Rudy will be hurt by his past, as filtered and mangled by the media over the next 21 months. However, if Rudy can sustain the inevitable attacks, we’l have a formidable GOP candidate, as oppposed to the others mentioned here: Frist is unelectable and is a horrible politician who’s too close with the fundamentalist wing of the party; Condi is too tainted by the war; McCain is too disliked within the party and too weak generally; and any others are names that will quickly fade once things get rolling. Rudy is the only hope for the GOP to win in 2008, and I’d rather put my energy behind a winner who is savvy, intelligent, patriotic, and visionary. Rudy’s the only candidate capable of giving the GOP another 4 years of White House rule.
Folks, If any one believes that a Huckabee or Brownback can beat a Democrat, they truly are not looking at the big picture. If you asked every Democrat pollster, or Democrat candidate who is the one Republican they do not want to run against, I have no doubt they would all say - Rudy Giuliani.
I support Mitt Romney, but wouldn’t have any problems voting for Rudy if he gets the nomination. We need as many strong candidates running for the Republican nomination as we can get and Rudy should help raise the discourse to the highest level. As other posters have commented, there are many important issues to discuss and Rudy will contribute in a positive way.
I like Rudy, think he would make agood candidate. Let me know when he supports the second amendment.
I live in R.I. where you can walk into your election site on primary day, declare your party affiliation, vote in the primary, and then disaffiliate on the way out. I had maintained a Republican affiliation through many years in upstate New York just to preserve my ability to vote in a primary. Once I moved here I dropped party affiliation. Plus, I think the Republican party in Rhode Island is a collection of incompetent loosers and I would not wish to be associated with them for more than a few minutes. Thus I do not think that I could be of any help in your drive to nominate Giuliani.
However, if he does get on the primary ballot here, I would vote for him (unless Condi Rice were also running) and if he were to win the nomination, I would vote for him in the election as well. I think he is the only Republican with a chance of winning the election but I am certain that the Republicans would rather see any Democrat win rather than nominate him.
Name me a single declared or potential Republican candidate who _won’t_ be “hurt by his [or her] past” in one way or another, with one faction or another of the Republican Party and/or independents. McCain? Romney? Gingrich? Rice? Any of the second-tier candidates (Brownback, Huckabee, Allen, etc.)? _Anyone_ who reaches the point of making a serious run for the Presidency has such challenges.
The real question — for the various factions in both the Republican and the Democratic parties — is whether they will sacrifice a chance to win for ideological purity or actually put forth a candidate that deal with the major issue facing us: the Long War. ..bruce..
Patrick:
Just as personal behavior mattered with Bill Clinton, it matters with Republican presidential candidates. Rudy carried on an extramarital affair in the mayor’s mansion while still married. He divorsed his wife in a manner that was dishonorable, announcing it to her through the press.
I agree that he could be a strong candidate, but he is too burdened with this issue to build the stong conservative base needed to win the general election.
Patrick,
I only represent with one hundred percent certainty, for the first time in our marriage, two votes for Rudy. I have been a lifelong hard core conservative who no longer places emphasis on colateral issues. My wife is a recovering liberal, that actually began her conversion pre-9/11 during the 2000 Bush/Gore fiasco.
I have my personal blog, thegraydog.org, and two MilBlogs of which I am part of the governing members, OldWarDogs.Us and VeteranAmerican.us.
I am also the admin for the joint forum of the previous mentioned BLOGS.
I cannot speak for the members at this time, but I plan to use my site, and my influence at the other sites to support Rudy.
Please keep us on your list.
The Gray Dog
I never cease to be amazed at the selfishness of the single issue voter.
1. Second Amendment.
2. Gay Marriage
3. Pro Abortion
4. Affair and Messy Divorce
I don’t want to depend on Rudy to Veto any restrictive rules on the 2nd Amendment.
I like him and respect the job he did in NYC but I also agree with Lee who said:
I agree that he could be a strong candidate, but he is too burdened with this issue to build the stong conservative base needed to win the general election.
Thanks Patrick for showing America that Conservatives do back Rudy because a lot of us believe that our national security and the WOT are the most important issues we face in the coming years and Rudy is the man to lead this Nation. Our military deserves a leader like Rudy that won’t cut and run like Democrats want. Rudy will continue the support of our military started by President Bush following eight years of neglect by the Clintons.
This Conservative Republican from the Heartland of America –Oklahoma joins you in supporting Rudy for President. Oklahomans will never forget how Rudy reached out after the Oklahoma City Bombing. He was there for Oklahoma and we will be there for Rudy in 2008 as we were following 9-11 as our two cities both have experienced terrorism attacks.
Once Conservatives get to know Rudy and where he stands on issues, they are going to find they agree with him more and more!
I cannot believe there are people out there whill not vote for a candidate simply because of personal marital problems. You don’t have to marry Rudy.
The question is simply this: who do you trust to fight the War on Terror? That’s the biggest issue facing America and the Free World today.
I don’t aagree with Rudy on abortion and gun control and other issues, but I do trust that he will take the fight to the terrorists and the states sponsoring the terrorists.
I am certain he will fight to win, not fight to please CNN and the talking heads like the Bush White House does.
I’m not sure how I made it on your mailing list, but I did. I’m a lifelong Democrat, and fairly liberal. I received your message of support for Rudy and thought that I might comment.
I frequently visit Democratic message boards and thought I might provide some insight of how liberals feel about Rudy. Like many on this site, they see his shortcomings (abortion, gay rights, gun control, strong Bush supporter, and marital problems) as helpful to him NOT getting the nomination. Many would actually prefer to see him be the candidate because of these defeciencies. It also won’t help that there are pictures of him dressed up in drag.
I personally think he might be much stronger than many other Democrats think. He would draw support from many Independants and he is likeable. My own wife, a left-leaning independant, likes him.
I do find it interesting that so many responders on this page are concerned about gun control. This is something that has always dumbfounded me about Republicans. I know many of you won’t believe this, but the second amendment is really a non-issue with most Democrats. Yes, most liberals don’t own or even like guns, but we really don’t care that much. As a matter of fact, this is on the bottom of the list when it comes to things liberals care about the most. Do you really think Rudy will make an issue of this? If Democrats don’t, then why would a Republican-even if he is for stricter gun control?
Anyways, that’s my two cents.
To Retired Geezer,
no one is going to take your gun away from you for crying out loud - unless its unregistered and/or your an illegal. President Bush is anti abortion and there are still 1000’s of abortions performed today, he is anti-gay yet there are states allowing same sex marriage - so whats the point. Let’s concenetrate on the most importnat thing to this country - the War on radical islmaic fundametalists. As for his marriage background, your not marrying the guy. Get over the fact that you dont stay in a marriage if its not working. Rudy is a no nonsense what you see is what you get guy. He is tough on defense and very patriotic and respectful of our military and the history of this country. If you think Brownback or Hunter will have a chance remember this - you will be seeing Hillary or Obama run this country right into the secular progressive place it is becoming (Im a conservative from VA/DC/MD area) and the left will pay lip service to everything and everyone (see John Kerry) and get nothing done. Have fun hearing Hillary for many years if you dont give Rudy a long hard look to nominate. And yes, she’ll try and take your damn gun away.
I like Rudy a lot and I don’t think he will ever do or sign anything that restricts 2nd Amendment rights. I am leaning towards throwing my support behind him but I want to hold off on the off chance the perfect candidate enters.http://www.misterpolitics.com/oped.asp?id=18
Patrick,
I’m actually supporting Mitt Romney, but I believe that Rudy Guiliani would make a fine President as well. While I don’t agree 100% with either Romney or Guiliani on the issues, they’re both close enough and more importantly they’re both proven leaders who aren’t afraid to get creative or take calculated risks to get the job done.
Good luck.
Thanks for the email. I signed up. I don’t agree with everything Rudy stands for, but I do believe he’s our best chance of winning. He also doesn’t seem like the kind of man who would tinker with the Constitution simply based on his personal beliefs (unlike some).
Whether he’s my final candidate or not remains to be seen, but I definitely want him to get in the game, and see what he has to say.
You guys don’t get it. It’s not about being a one issue voter, it’s about the issue itself.
I don’t aagree with Rudy on abortion and gun control and other issues, but I do trust that he will take the fight to the terrorists and the states sponsoring the terrorists.
So let me ask you this? Let’s say Rudy was for legalizing slavery again. Economic issue and all that. Let’s say Rudy was for putting down elderly people over 85. They are just a burden after all. I mean, come on! Everyone knows we won’t bring back slavery and no one will kill the elderly! So what do those issues matter??? We need to fight terrorism! So what if Rudy believes in those things!
I hope you get my sarcastic point here. Just because an issue may or may not be affected by the Presidency doesn’t mean what he believes doesn’t tell us a hell of alot about him.
You may not think that believing in the sanctity of a child’s life is the measure of a man, but I do. And I will would no more vote for a man who is pro-abortion than I would a man who is pro-slavery, no matter how right he is on the other issues.
True, Rudy will have to be able to withstand what democrats and others will throw at him. I believe in this last election, and most certainly in 2008, dems used and will go all out with personal attacks.
I agree with those who say that the upcoming election will not be the time to vote on single issues. That is probably why dems got control of Congress this last time.
Now is not the time to hold out for ‘ideological purity’ as bfwebster said. We will only lose. I can’t stand thinking about living through the next two years, let alone living through a democrat president, because liberals are already so firmly entrenched, that a democrat president will, especially with two terms, would be the final bell for Republicans. At least for many years to come.
Frist and Hastert were disasters. DeLay had his problems, but he got things going, and could hold the Republicans together when needed.
I like Rudy, and he is by far the best of those presently aiming for the job, and I do think he could beat Hillary. Possibly the only one who could beat Hillary.
Patrick,
Huge applause. Most of these commenters will be eating their words once they get to know Rudy like you and I do.
I like and admire Rudi Guiliani. If he gets the Republican nomination, I’ll vote for him but it won’t be without great reservations and increased disenfranchisement with the GOP accordingly. — so far, the GOP has not shown much respect for my opinions as a registered voter, so I am increasingly hesitatant to go “party loyalist” yet again on the ballot since much that the RNC today is doing is so rejectable to me and many other Conservatives.
About Guiliani, I was eager to hear what he had to say based upon the same qualities that Ruffini writes her in his favor — predominantly effective executive in office in contending with social excesses that affect the rest of us as crime — but then I heard a few key statements from Guiliani that are current and they define, in my view, Guiliani as not just a “social liberal” (a big problem for me) but also an “issue liberal” (which ruins him in my view as a viable leader):
He seeks increased gun control AND he is campaigning — among all the issues existing, he chooses this as his lead-off issue — to promote “increased hate crime legislation,” saying that the very opinions and ideas that people think are to be criminally penalized.
I see little that separates Guiliani from that “Washington” that Ruffini says he is separate from (and yet isn’t) in the context of a community of self-indulgent persons seeking to erode what little democracy the U.S. has left. To even consider criminally penalizing people’s opinions and very thoughts (which is what the concept of “hate crimes” seeks to enable) with imprisonment and a criminal record is no different than what Stalin sought (and accomplished) in the U.S.S.R., no different than what Socialist Germany did (and implemented in early onset of their terrible system there), and indicates someone who is indoctrinated and in service to socialism…no different than the mentality of Hillary and Bill Clinton (a big problem for me), no different than the most Liberal of Liberals among the Democrats.
Guiliani would be great running as a Democrat, in other words. I see no reason for Conservatives to continually be led into increased Liberalism and Socialism by Liberals and told it’s where we “ought to” or “should” be heading. It isn’t. But from today’s GOP/RNC actions of late, what we see is a New Liberal Party trying to appeal to Conservatives among Republicans and it’s not working.
I also suspect that Guiliani is indulgent — just as is Brownback, Bush, McCain, Bloomberg, Schwarzenegger, etc. (to put it mildly) — as to the illegal alien problem in our nation today and the confounding refusal to secure our borders and implement penalties for illegal immigration and employment of illegal aliens in the U.S.
As a Conservative, I seek a candidate who is (1.) pro life, (2.) pro border security, (3.) anti illegal-alien, (4.) pro penalty for U.S. employers of illegal aliens (5.) anti taxpayer funded services for illegal aliens (6.) pro marriage as between one man and one woman (7.) anti race-based federal and state funding (8.) pro a strong U.S. military and (9.) anti corruption in all of those areas (means pro a strong system of accountability among all of those areas).
What we have in D.C. today is a smattering of strong, ethical persons in the House and even fewer in the Senate (among both parties although I concede that the Democrats are far more “corrupt” than they can or will ever admit) who even CARE what voters think or want and yet opine on and on and on about their pet donor initiatives and services to those who seem to be paying for their services, rather than them servicing those who vote for them.
Why isn’t the GOP nominating Senator Jeff Sessions? He’s one fellow who is all of those points I just delineated and more. He’s a former prosecutor (tough on crime), he’s an intelligent and good and conscionable person, he’s a genuine Conservative…
Condi Rice, by comparison, is pro-abortion. And, although I respect her in office, she’s someone who has travelled the world and made appearance after appearance with contentious leaders elsewhere, they talk, they shake hands, they smile, she leaves, nothing’s changed (I share Donald Trump’s opinion of her here).
Brownback and the rest…are all indulgent of illegal aliens and love that “cheap labor” source and sourcing at the expense of the U.S. taxpayers (business gets to profit, government gets to collect, voters get to pay the bills and see their resources and environments denigrated in the process — it’s am imbalanced and corrupt approach toward who can/should be profitting while who is liable for that profit by others).
McCain…forget it (for the above reasons and more). I’d crawl through broken glass for the opportunity not to vote for him, and I feel the same as to the Liberal Schwarzenegger and so many among the GOP of late who seem to think they “must” be Liberal if they are to win.
In that case, perhaps they should lose. Because continuing to vote for thsse increasingly Liberal candidates hoisted upon voters as a “must vote for” process “or lose” is a failed reasoning. It only continues to move the goal post toward increased Socialism and yet more years of the Clinton/Bush two-headed compromises of most things that most voters hold dear.
“rightwingsparkle” (^^) gets it and gets it succinctly:
“…Just because an issue may or may not be affected by the Presidency doesn’t mean what he believes doesn’t tell us a hell of alot about him.
“You may not think that believing in the sanctity of a child’s life is the measure of a man, but I do. And I will would no more vote for a man who is pro-abortion than I would a man who is pro-slavery, no matter how right he is on the other issues. “
~;-]
To those of you who think Rudy would be fine running as a Democrat, how do you explain:
* His kicking Arafat out of the UN 50th Anniversary celebration, PRE-9-11? With a great line about how we shouldn’t romanticize a terrorist. What Dem would do that? What REPUBLICAN would do that? (He followed it up by returning a $10M check to the Saudis post 9-11.)
* That he openly embraces supply-side economics and cut taxes and gov’t bureaucracy more radially than Reagan or Bush? Democrat? Or right-wing Republican?
I could go on, but these 2 are enough to show how ridiculous these claims are.
Also, I find it interesting the previous poster makes a claim about “Socialism” when his list of issues does not even address political economy– and when Rudy is far to the right of the other candidates on these issues.
David
P.S. On social issues, he endorsed Robert and Alito, and said SCALIA would’ve been his choice for Chief. Isn’t that what you’re looking for? (Don’t let this question distract you from the more fundamental ones above.)
Hey Patrick…well, at least if there IS that remote eventuality that RG might win the nomination (not), and then the election (not one bit likely), you may have backed an individual who will seem calm and collected, even CONCERNED, during every terrorist attack we are hit with in the future. Of course, the future will be much different than we expect if the present government “plan” for our country proceeds to fruition. The NAU might handle things in an entirely different manner than you can currently wrap your mind around. Personally, I wouldn’t want RG anywhere near a leadership role in my Federal Government, even if we happen to survive the plans of the globalists’ agenda. I prefer a leader who will attend to the security of MY country first and foremost, before spending trillions of dollars “protecting” and “securing” a variety of other doomed countries. RG is all for keeping and adding-to the millions of illegal immigrants currently destroying us in every conceivable way. Nope! I will reserve my vote for a true American patriot who holds the futures of my family and my community uppermost on his/her agenda. I want someone leading this country who will address the greedy American employers who lure unknown, unvetted foreigners to break our immigration laws (yes, they exist), and who, once imbedded, proceed to suck the life-blood from America’s economy, as they reduce the once untouchable cultural and physical aspects of our beautiful America to those of a third-world cesspool. You can have RG, but I might warn that you might just as well put your cash into a shredder as spend it so foolishly backing him.
congratulations!
As a chairman of a southern (Mississippi) county Republican Party, I am enthusiastic about Rudy’s run and will (and have) actively support him. I realize its very early and Rudy does have work to do…however, his support of President Bush, his leadership and crime fighting record (not to mention economic policies) will in the end outweigh any social conservative weaknesses on his resume. That coupled with our desire to win the war and keep control of the White House will go far in the GOP primary. He is truly our best shot.
As I’ve often pointed out, the Second Amendment issue is the best way to understand a candidate’s ability to coherently formulate public policy in a Constitutional framework.
Rudy isn’t doing so well on the test.
Here’s an exchange from Hannity and Rudy on guns and gun control, cited by Dave Hardy at www.armsandthelaw.com
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HANNITY: You inherited the gun laws in New York.
GIULIANI: Yeah. And I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide I think by 65, 70%. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City. So if you are talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it’s appropriate. You might have different laws other places and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities, making decisions. We do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.
HANNITY: So you would support the state’s rights to choose on specific gun laws?
GIUILANI: Yeah. A place like New York that is densely populated or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem like a few cities are now. Thank goodness not New York but some other cities. Maybe you have one solution there and in other place more rural, more suburban, other issues you have a different set of rule.
HANNITY: Generally speaking do you think it’s acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?
GIULIANI: It’s part of the constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then restrictions have to be reasonable and sensible. You can’t just remove that right. You got to regulate consistent with the second amendment.”
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OK, Rudy, Rudyites and Rudyettes: Please explain what part of NYC’s system of restrictive and discriminatory gun licensing is consistent with the Constitutional right to carry firearms that Rudy claims to support? Does a Constitutional right change at a city limit? If a city is a high-crime area, shouldn’t ordinary people have easier access to concealed handguns, not less? Would Rudy support “shall-issue” concealed carry licenses so ordinary folks can have the same sort of right to self-defense that NYC currently grants only to the favored few?
If Rudy was discussing freedom of speech or freedom of religion in this manner, we would rightfully conclude that he was essentially incoherent. Yet WRT the Second Amendment, politicians get a free pass to talk nonsense.
For all those pro-lifers out their (including myself), please consider this when evaluating Rudy’s abortion position. Of the 33 years since Roe v Wade, 21 years have seen a pro-lifer in the White House. And yet abortion is still legal.
I can’t vote for this guy. His record on gun control and oportunist law suit against the manufacturers is the reason. So my back up plan is vote for the Democrat (whomever) for president and for every other conservative (republican) on the ballot. Pretty sure that the NRA will get the message across to them. By the way, it doesn’t matter what his position “evolves” to prior to the election. He has already crossed the line.
The first thing you must know is that I have been “forced” to live in New Orleans for the past nine years, because things happen, like needing to stay where you can retail joint custody of a child. BUT, I am a 100% dyed-in-the-wool New Yorker, born and raised and I LOVE MY CITY, my hometown and now, because I love my country, I want to SCREAM at the top of my lungs to all who will listen why Mayor Rudy Giuliani needs to be our 44th. President.
There has never been another person who I wholeheartedly endorsed for the Presidency or any other office that I could ever recommend as HIGHLY as this man. I endorse Rudy Giuiani for President in 2008 and I intend to do all I can and use any talents I have to spread the word and let others know why they should do the same.
I grew up in the 1960’s and watched our city go through the major changes that started in post WWII, the horrors that the greed of so many did to damage our strong city, the total neglect of the city by the federal government in the mid-1970’s…one 1975 headline many will vividly remember over 30 years later comes to mind, I believe the New York Post put it in the largest type it could fit; the words of President Ford, echoing a nation’s sentiments. But, we didn’t “go to Hell”.
I saw a fine, dynamic Democratic mayor with great charisma begin to help the city, Mayor Ed Koch, and then falter…and finally, the city fell to the impossibly insane political machine and almost to its ruin as the early 80’s rolled in and crime and nearly every other thing that had made our city strong and wonderful and the true center of the cultural and financial world start to collapse…New Yorkers who never would have believed they would leave THEIR city, LEFT and with the AIDS epidemic that NYC experiencedd so much more deeply than most places (except for other cities) we were deeply in need of a mayor, unlike the ones we had grown accustomed to supporting…
New York City is looked upon in many ways…but usually as a Mecca for not only the Democratic but the intellectual Liberals and then it is a city of minorities, all traditionally Democrats no matter who the candidate or what it might mean…
And then along came Rudy Giuliani…and we knew his past and many of us were simply terrified of what this Republican with a vision and the moxie and knowledge and experience to back it up might do to us…We were not destroyed. We were not lessened, we who were so worried about this dynamic Republican leader, did NOT have a single fear realized…rather, to our grea amazement and gradual awe (yes, awe and if you lived in NYC through those years “pre-G and post-G”, we saw a man who began in the smallest ways…in making sure the quality of life for all of us; not the BIG things but the day-to-day quality of life for all law-abiding New Yorkers was slowly then profoundly improved…and he cracked down and he was harsh (to some)and he was not going to do this and care about ‘political correctness”…he was going to turn the city around and this man DID that. And in the final analysis, no great city or country can be run without the delicate balance of real intelligence, strength, convictions, vision and a deep sense of what will improve the lives of most people and the real-world plans to make it all happen. No dreamers or sound-byte mongers need apply!
I donto believe in labels, but we are all one label or another and I believe for a long time it would not be untrue to say in most ways I was one of those so-called Liberal New York Intellectuals…I wouldn’t have ever thought I could do anything but hasten his departure from public office in our city…I WAS NEVER SO WRONG (and I was FAR from alone!)in my life…what he had done in the past and how people get to the positions they do in politics is always fodder for scrutinization and negative blasting…he was unorthodox and he was harsh and he meant business…and within months and certainly a year from when he took office New York City became the incredible place to live it had always been in our hearts…
I am not talking specifics here because they are on the record and others will tell of the total reduction in crime, the clean-up of the city, the business that came in the total revitalization of areas…not the least of which was Times Square…and the subsequent resurgence of even greater tourism to our city than ever…it was a safe city and you didn’t “mess around” while Rudy was at the helm.
Did he make some mistakes or do things that some didn’t like or disagreed or even disapproved of…YES…a true leader, a strong, effectual leader of the greatest metropolitan area in the world needs to have a strong vision, total conviction, cocmpassion where it will serve the people and not simply serve “lip service” and most just as importantly the ability and personal resources to surround himself with the most excemplary people around him in high offices and as advisors, with this he obtains the greatest gift of all, and his most powerful tool, the confidence of the people. The results of such a leader speak, no shout loudly for themselves.
Yes, I am a life-long New Yorker. Yes, I had to move here to New Orleans, but have never “left” home in a sense that New York City is the place I think of first and foremost as MY TOWN (not uncommon among New Yorkers flung far and wide all over the country and the world) and I will go back as soon as my young son leaves with me to go to one of the wonderful colleges or universities back in NYC or the NE.
BUT, having to live in such a “non-city” as New Orleans, both pre and post-Katrina has given me an even deeper respect and the total conviction that Rudy Giuliani would make the best President for the country at THIS POINT IN ITS HISTORY….I am an educator, historian, scientist, writer, artist and I KNOW that it is more than the miracle the man achieved on a single day in September 2001 when the entire world looked to our shocked and wounded city and country and found the STRENGTH not in our president or national leaders but in the form of Mayor Giuliani.
When Katrina hit, and I was hit as hard as one can be…and all of us searched in vain in the first days, weeks and months (we have largely given up the hope for this now)for a leader who would give us the strength through his own unwavering presence and by immediate action to know we WOULD be back, we would have our New Orleans again, bit by bit. A major American city was decimated, nearly anniliated and emptied of its ENTIRE population and would have to start all over again, nearly from scratch.
I cannot tell you what a leader like Mayor Giuliani would have meant to this city. I cannot tell you how the fate of a great, important American city sat in the hands of those who could inspire, lead and lend much-needed confidence and faith in the citizens. Mayor Rudy Giuliani had done that for NYC and many times. How often in these awful times since August 31, 2005, I have prayed for the miracle of a single man to come forward with even some of the former Mayor’s qualities and LEADERSHIP. This ship is captainless, ruddderless and stranded in the ocean, the few strong who remain have no leader. And so I have the unique vantage point of seeing both ends of the spectrum.
I don’t need to talk of how the present administration has failed the people and of the horrors of Iraq or any other policy…I don’t need to bash this President (he is far too easy a target and not worthy of the time it would take.) and I will not bother with the potential candidates of the “Democratic” party…Parties must be thrown to the wind,and in many ways we must become people who SOLELY look at the candidates and what they have done and almost more important what they are capable of inspiring Americans to do and BE for their country.
If anyone can promote the kinds of actions, feelings and policies that will change the country and the world for the better I have great confidence this the rare man who can really do that.
I have always cared deeply about politics, the process and the resulst, and I have been active in being a positive force for the bettering of my hometown and the country. In New Orleans, without anything but a totally corrupt and worse, self-serving and by-in-large with few exceptions, totally ineffectual government…coupled with the installation of George W Bush as President…I had given up, beyond grassroots groups to help rebuild a city that its own MAYOR, GOVERNOR and PRESIDENT have forgotten.
With the announcement of Rudy Giuiani’s hat in the ring, I am ready to do whatever I can. I am ill and have suffered great hardships that are far from over due to Katrina and tryng to live day to day in New Orleans, but I have renewed hope now and wanted to share it with whomever would read this novella.
I plan to get very involved and would like anyone who knows how I can work in New Orleans to directly help the campaign for Rudy Giuliani to LET ME KNOW by email ronicooper@aol.com.
I met the man, finally, once when he came here to promote his book. The line was long and it was late. I am a huge baseball fan and I waited a long time, in my NY Mets jersey and stopped, looked Mr. Giuliani in the eye and asked if I might shake his hand and personaly thank him from the bottom of my heart for all he had done for New York City and the country (during the black days in September of 2001)…he got up and hugged me and thanked me and wrote a touching personl sentiment in my book. I knew that he was a man who was genuine, absolutely detemined and a fighter. He has great humanity, in spite of what I am sure detractors will try to say and he is the man who this country NEEDS to be our 44th President in 2008.
I anyone reads this and knows how I can start to work for the campaign immediately…please contact me.
In conlusion, THANK YOU MR. GIULIANI FOR TAKING THE POLITICAL CHANCE TO ENTER THE CAMPAIGN FOR 2008. You have many, many people who feel as strongly as I do. And I still register as a Democrat, but no real Republicans and Democrats exist today except to the extreme right or left…in a sense we are all “Republicrats” or “Democrans”, we are somewhere in the middle and are wise enought to see beyond self-serving strict party politics and instead see things issue by issue…not in sweeping policy for policy’s sake.
There once was a country called the United States of America, it was a proud nation and with good reason to be proud of its actions in the world and how it prospered…Rudy, make us believe again!
With my sincerest pledge to help in anyway I can…
Roni Eilene Cooper
Now 1684 N Dupre St
New Orleans LA 70119
BUT A QUEENS GIRL for over 38 years…and proud of it everyday!
Patrick,
I am very interested in helping out the Giuliani campaign. I’m in Arlington, Virginia. You’ve got my e-mail address from my post, please drop me a line and let me know how I can get involved.
Thanks and best of luck with your efforts!
Like teenagers waiting in line for hours to buy a pop artist’s newest compact disc, New Jersey Republican party officials have rushed into line behind Rudy Giuliani. This recent push for Rudy is an example of the state party‘s problems.
The early support by so-called Republican leaders is an exercise that does not take into account the former Mayors positions on the issues. They also do not take into account any of the fiscal principles that the party represents.
There are hundreds of thousands of New Jersey residents whom commute to New York City every day. These people endure an overwhelming tax burden inflicted upon them by their own legislators. As Mayor, Rudy added to their burden by enforcing a commuter tax on them. He refused to accept the fact that these commuters are responsible for pumping millions into the city’s economy. Instead he took the liberal position that these hard working people were a strain on city services.
His commuter tax is against Republican fiscal doctrine and is un-American. It is taxation without representation. Giuliani increased his revenue by taxing people who could not do anything about it because we had no say. Perhaps invitations to a tea party in Boston are necessary to demonstrate the inherent un-American thinking in Rudy’s tax policies.
Although Rudy was good for the city he was not good for Jersey. He was able to focus on a city within a state without having to worry about collective concerns of all the states within our nation. A president does not have that luxury.
The premature endorsements of Rudy by local Republicans is a childlike maneuver that short-changes New Jersey and it’s historic early presidential primary. It is the type of rush to judgment that gives our party dismal candidates like Tom Kean, Jr..
As this presidential campaign unfolds, the bright marquee lights of Rudy’s name will dim and like teenagers buying a pop star’s new CD these local Republican leaders will find out that out of 13 songs on the CD, only one track is a hit.
Wow! Very nicely done. This will be my first time visiting. It very impressive. All the best!
securainsurance
More on Rudy’s gun control position, from Don Kates via Dave Hardy at armsandthelaw.com. (If you don’t know who Don Kates and Dave Hardy are, you need to find out before discussing Rudy’s chances with the RKBA vote.)
“Don Kates’ take on Guiliani”
Posted by David Hardy · 3 March 2007 06:00 PM
An email from Don Kates:
Throughout his political career Bill Clinton’s “position on the Second Amendment” was a bald-faced lie. Every time the subject arose he falsely proclaimed his “belief in the Second Amendment.” Insofar as there was any truth in this scam, what Clinton meant was that he believed that the Second Amendment does not mean anything.
Rudy Giuliani employs the exact same scam in the exact same way by proclaiming that he believes in the Second Amendment. By carefully reviewing his assertions in the context of his record it is possible to ferret out his real beliefs and intended program. He believes that people living in low crime areas may be allowed (as a privilege, not a right) to have guns for sport. But no one other than public employees and the politically powerful has a right to possess firearms for
self-defense. Worse yet, he believes the key to reducing crime consists of disarming everyone who believes in a right to possess arms for self-defense and who lives in an area where the incidence of crime is such that they have some likelihood of using arms for self-defense.
Giuliani is, in short, a paradigm Republican, i.e., someone who is dedicated to the interests of Big Business and for whom the rights of little people are, at best, easily dispensable in the interest of public safety (read Big Business).
If I were Sarah Brady faced with a contest between Hillary and Rudy I would vote for Rudy. Each wants to ban and confiscate guns. But it is far less likely that a Democrat could get away with trying to outlaw gun ownership than that Rudy could do so. Remember that Harry Truman could not end the Korean War, but Eisenhower could. And that no Democratic
president could come to detente with Russia or China but Nixon could.
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What about it, Rudyites and Rudyettes? Is Don Kates right or not?
reply to:”This is my problem with Rudy. The Patriot Act and NSA surveillance is in no way, shape, or form akin to prosecuting the mafia. Why?”( Pokerwolf at March 5, 2007 09:23 AM).
Since Italian fascism and my liaison officers to the descendants of count Ciano and General Kesselring we are in the fight against mafia and the Jewish standing-violonist “Rudy”[Venetia Guilia[ni]] of Adolphe Hitler and Eva Braun.
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L’EADS se déplace par l’espace en suivant un ordre calculé de ma mère juive Andrée Mallah.
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As a former long islander who moved to maine, I can in no way support Rudy. He IS NO friend to anyone who owns a gun, and more importantly is completely opposed to self defense with any means. The only people he likes to give gun permits to are severely disfunction celebrities, like the group Aerosmith, who are ineligible under federal law to own any gun because they were in rehab for booze and drugs. They have money to donate and they spout the anti-gun line. I have lived in a variety of dangerous neighborhoods and can assure you that Rudy’s cops are there to protect the rich and crush the poor. The first person to go to jail under the then new mandatory year in jail law passed in NYC was the manager of a bodega who was sick of being shot at and stabbed. NO criminal record and a family to support. He went to a hellhole jail for a year and lost everything he had worked so hard for. Bernhard Goetze was found not guilty of attempted murder because the jury believed he feared for his life with good reason. He still went to jail for a year just because he had a gun. While this was not on Rudy’s watch, he wholehartedly supports the outcomes. Use any weapon in NYC if you’re poor and the police will treat you like a criminal and the perp like an innocent school boy. HIs cops are mostly mad dog bodyguards for the rich, and while away their hours shoving toilet plunger handles up the asses of poor suspects (remember abner louima? ), just for fun. You can also ask Rudy why Bernie Kierek, hero cop and Chief of Police from 9/11, had to turn down the job of Chief of Police in Miami. As far as registering my guns, in maine I don’t have to,and never will, just to keep them safe from the Guiliani’s of the world.His predecessors in 1968 said they would never confiscate guns from law abiding citizens, just register them so they can keep track of criminals. Then, in 1991 Dem Mayor Dinkins responded to a fatal stabbing of a tourist by confiscating all legally owned and registered “assault weapons”. NO BODY is going to take my guns!!? Rudy will if he can. The dems get a law to his desk, he’s going to sign, and use Waco tactics to enforce it.
Living so near MA I have heard a lot about Rommney and have heard him on talk radio. I am looking into his record on guns, abortion,illegal immigration and other conservative issues.
McCain partnered with billionaire Andrew MacAlevy from Monster.com, to support a phoney gun rights group to represent all the “reasonable” gun owners out there. He is a whore who will shamelessly pander to whoever holds the bucks.
I am a single issue voter because a signature on a federal bill and I have the choice of turning in my property or being killed trying to defend it.
I am supporting Romney as I could never take a man dressed in drag who has so many ifidelities in his recent past seriously. A Guilliani presidency will just weaken the moral fiber of our country even more! A Romney Presidency is one of hope, fiscal conservatism and family values. Team Romney keep up the goodwork!
John S. Maine
Here’s a new way to look at it. All of us know much about Giuliani but too many things are going to stand in the way of him becoming president. I’m from New York City and I’m a democrat like most of the city’s residents but I really felt it took Giuliani a lot of courage to handle the city after 9/11 the way he did. One problem is he is going to be overshadowed by much of the competition from John McCain and Mitt Romney. The threat of losing the bible belt with Giuliani is a possibility considering his beliefs on pro-choice, gay marriage/civil unions and stem cell research. In New York, a Republican isn’t really a Republican. Ask Bloomberg that. He’s a liberal republican. In this day in America it’s pretty much you’re a liberal democrat or conservative republican. His views on Iraq are also confusing.
There are several reasons why I wouldn’t vote for Giuliani. If it were up to me I would like to see Romney and Obama run. Most likely as many of us know it’s likely going to be McCain and Clinton. Although many people are reluctant to voting for a woman or half African-American Americans are more reluctant to keeping our troop in Iraq like McCain wants us to. Giuliani gives a lot of mixed messages and will have to basicly bow down to everything McCain wants because McCain as well as Clinton are to stubborn to be vice president of the United States. However, Obama, Romney, Giuliani and Edwards aren’t.
As great of a job he did and as good of an attorney some may believe he is the highest political positions he held are mayor of a city that could be comparable and district attorney.
Does that really sound that impressive or is America going to continue to be brainwashed into believing he could lead us because of 8 months of being in the spot light? Giuliani was a great mayor and could make a great governor but doesn’t have the capabilities of being a president who could surpass mediocrity.
Another thing what many of you don’t question is that like we see with Obama being half African-American, Clinton being a woman, Mitt Romney being a Mormon, Joe Lieberman being Jewish and even Bill Richardson being 3/4 Latin American even as unlikely it would be for him to run. Well where does Giuliani fit into this puzzle? Maybe the media doesn’t potray him to be as taken seriously as all of you think. The last time I checked
there hasn’t been a president with one ounce of Italian blood in them. To be fair and pick a specific ethnic group that is somewhat similar to Italian would be Michael Dukakis to Greek-Americans. He embraced his heritage enough for people to publicly acknowledge that his Greek heritage was important to him. For anyone who isn’t a Northern-European descended male everyone is in the same boat. There are only two approaches the Italian-American community will give. The first one is the New York City, North Jersey, Chicago vibe that the culture is still alive. Than there is the more Minnesota and Washington State image which is a white person in America who’s identity is very confused and name will just match the future immigrants of those areas. Italians were treated like dirt when they got to this country (especially in areas they didn’t live much in). How come we never hear about what happened after World War II when they started becoming accepted into American society as not being foreigners (Giuliani’s era) ? The ‘’mafia'’ was a facade for the poverty and low education of the first and second generation Italian-Americans due to the frustation other communities put on them and the fact that there immigrant ancestors were primarily from Southern Italy (the poorest and least education part). When so many Italians began branching out to other parts of the country like California or Wisconsin not to be impolite but they really did bow down. Italians were different just like any other group like Greeks, Jews, Arabs or Latin Americans but unlike most of the other groups they just didn’t suffer as much abuse during one period of time that pride wasn’t so knocked out of the community. In this day and age you can embrace both your heritage and country but the only people who exercise this to the full extent are post-world war II era descended Americans. Whether people want to accept it or not people want to accept it in this country and be a ‘’minority or different'’ it has to be done through the democrat party. Is it a shock all the diversity we say right now is there in Obama, Clinton, formerly Dukakis? They’re aloud to embrace it and be something new. Giuliani could try passing off that he’s just a ‘’white man'’ to America but he’s not. That’s what the American media wants and is trying to protect for his image. He’s from Brooklyn and his dad was a bartender/janitor who has been arrested several times. He probably isn’t proud of his own family. That must have worked hand in hand with his ethnicity. See, as a German-American or English-American or of mixed ancestry to the point that you’re too many things you can just ignore your heritage or not care. As an Italian-American just like a Mexican-American or Greek-American that’s just different.
I guess enough Americans haven’t questioned what being Italian really is since the population is too small in most states and is so little communicated upon. This isn’t just going on in the Republican party but it’s going on in the Democratic party too. They wanted to keep Joe Lieberman being Jewish in 2000 as Vice Presidential canidate quiet. Because of Barack Obama’s likable personality the media rather focus on stuff like him being a smoker rather than saying he’s half African-American or that his middle name is Hussain. By covering up as a black man and to be American as can be wouldn’t allow us to question his father being from Kenya or his middle name being Hussain. Some random imbeciles leaked that out to try to attack him but no one has torn him down. When you got a guy like Tom Tancredo in your party who says America should lock up there borders meanwhile his own parents weren’t even born in the U.S. makes you itch your chin doesn’t it? That’s like a Rudolph Giuliani who hates his heritage and is mentally unstable. The media just isn’t as much in love with Clinton so if something like this happened to her she would be completely screwed. The Italian-American vote isn’t significant enough to matter unliked the African-American pouplation but the largest of it’s population exists in liberal states making most of them democrat. He’s the only own in his family to become wealthy. He’s been married three times (none to women of Italian background which isn’t that hard to do in Brooklyn or Manhattan if you are Italian). His crapy relationship with his dad isn’t much of a shock why his children feel the same way about him? His child who golfs in college says he’d rather work on his swing than support his child. He publicly indirectly cheated on his wife. It wasn’t cheating to him though because of his cancer medication he couldn’t sustain an erection, right? I’m sure all those Catholics who loved Bush for his pro-life approaches (even though it wasn’t going to change during his time) would care? They would get more enticed if the media wanted it to be though. When Mitt Romney jumped into this race as a serious competitor and was acknowledged that he was a mormon I thought to myself maybe this is Giuliani’s chance to be something new with his different background. I guess I was wrong. Being something new actually could help you in this race. When they talked about Bill Richardson being ‘’Hispanic'’ though that is when I really got a kick out of it. How many people that see that name are ever going to think that? Remember, Americans are simple people. We judge on two things especially since the 70’s. What kind of money you make and what we could seen on your image. Besides that our intellectuality is mush and most of Europe would agree with that. The struggle of Latin Americans (Mexicans especially) is similar to Italians. The only difference is Spain owned so many slaves yet Italians practically owned none. Definitely not in this country and if there were any on the Western Hemisphere it was too small to matter. This country won’t recognize Spaniard ancestry within Latin America though. We would just rather give them a ‘’labeled'’ term. Isn’t it obvious why that term was created anyway? I guarantee you none of you when you were in high school were taught when that word was created or why it was created. It never existed before 1970. Some of you may have not even learned about it. But now it’s just some jolley normal term? The term was designed for two purposes. There were two people in America during that time that were poor and to this day struggle. Many African-Americans and immigrants from varieties of different countries. A Latin America of second or third generation would not just like any other lower middle class or middle class American (especially if they mixed). The perfect example of that would be California. The economic status of a country like Mexico is so horrible that our dollar is 2 1/2 of what there’s is so it’s obvious there going to be poor. If immigrants were educated and affluent enough to do well for themselves they would stay in a major city like Mexico City rather than come to the United States. But how does the big bad media sway people into believing to feel sympathy for poor people. By labeling them as ‘’different'’. They had to little of political power in the 60’s or 70’s to stop this. And the perks that would come along with getting benefits wouldn’t be worth taking the energy to prevent this kind of term. This is why no one completely understands it the term hispanic today who is, nor socially uses it and often feels it is politically incorrect. As the Latin American population continued to boom in this country the necessity of dignifying race within this was something the government would feel be necessary. Otherwise one day America wouldn’t be as white as it today. If any of you who have had what it takes to really think about it even though it likely doesn’t involve you would probably be able to see through the lines. Bluntly the design of the term Hispanic was to have an excuse to stop feeling bad for African-Americans left behind after the Civil Rights era. So much of the money that could have continued to funding communities to give people jobs and preventing public housing in enclaves of major cities could have been done. But was it? No. The term was used to fund immigrants. Immigrants from Asia and the Middle East have the education built into the society they had left from so there families demand more out of them. You can practically send your kid to college for free because of this in most of the United States. Every other group that came from little educated countries due to just not being in this wealthy technological era wouldn’t have these options. So instead of normal progression into third generation sucess we offer that right into the first generation of immigrants in the expense of not helping poor African-Americans. And the excuse many in high politics would use against them is that all options are availible to them and there as American if not more than any other one so let them fix it for themselves. The idea of Affirmative Action that was heavily brought upon in the 1980’s to help African-Americans but it just became eventually deemed unconstitutional and to many felt unnecessary. You can point to Ward Connerly to him. Giuliani would be that to the Italian community if there actually was one to reach out or insult to. I’m not saying this term ‘’Hispanic ‘’ is going to change but how brainwashed have we let ourselves become? Look at what Bush has done to this country. America needs a damn change. Romney will preserve your little conversative views. Giuliani will frustrate Democrats and Republicans. It’s like Democrats get a half a Democrat even if they lose but it’s just a really below average one. And if you get Clinton I guess you just are scared of a woman who wears the pants in her relationship. As wealthy as America was with the amounts of jobs and as the internet becoming what it is today I’m willing to take a Clinton again. Republicans will continue to be in denial but issues like Iraq are going to dominate the media and Democrats are winning on it. They just don’t have what it takes to step up to the plate and prevent Bush from ruining even more soldiers lives. The way I see it Giuliani may run for vice president but Romney represents what Republicans want and that’s a conservative quiet image. Giuliani is different and John McCain is like a dog that no one could love. George Bush is just plain dumb. Let those random conervatives blame it on his speech writers though Wink* Wink* lol The bottom line is that McCain/Romney vs Clinton/Obama or something similar.
I can make every single one of you a guarantee though unless something just wierd happened. Rudy Giuliani’s Italian heritage being discussed would be like a raped child in the 50’s telling society about it. Just some food for though isn’t it.
This one makes sence “One’s first step in wisdom is to kuesstion everything - and one’s last is to come to terms with everything.”
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[…] Patrick Ruffini emailed me his announcement that he is supporting and campaigning for Rudy Giuliani. I will never forget the images of the then-mayor of New York on 9/11: his concern for the people of Manhattan, the firefighters, the police, his staff during the crisis; the leadership and character he displayed during the time of panic and the days afterward; the humanity he freely displayed as he endured hundreds of funerals and memorials. The man is truly remarkable. […]
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[…] Given recent events in the blogosphere and certain candidates’ choices of web personnel, we were also amused to see a tiny and aged controversy in the matter of Froomkin and Patrick Ruffini. Ruffini, who has just signed on to assist Rudy Giuliani, wrote a piece a couple of years ago called Dan Froomkin, Second-Rate Hack, which has disappeared into the ether, though not silently. We missed that dust-up at the time. […]
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